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May 20, 2005

KNS on Newsweek

Today's paper had this editorial:

Newsweek messed up badly when it reported that a forthcoming Pentagon report would confirm a U.S. interrogator at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had flushed a Quran down the toilet.

The magazine pushed the envelope in reporting the story - using a single anonymous source, albeit a trusted one, and writing what the unseen report was expected to contain, a risky formulation considered by some a journalistic no-no. Further, both the editor and managing editor were away at deadline.

However, Newsweek took the precaution of running the item by the Pentagon, which had no objection. And maybe the staff could be faulted for a certain religious insensitivity, but it was by no means the first report that U.S. interrogators had desecrated the Quran.

After at least 17 Afghans were killed in rioting, allegedly over the Newsweek item, the perfect storm hit Newsweek.

The magazine took a fearful beating at the hands of the Bush administration, lawmakers and the claque of ideologues who resent what they call the mainstream media.

Newsweek apologized, retracted the story and, let us stipulate, has been thoroughly chastened, but we hope not so much that it pulls its journalistic punches.

What is striking is the pious hypocrisy that has accompanied much of this criticism, beginning with the White House. An entity that regularly insists on anonymity for its briefers and still shows no remorse for being hopelessly wrong about weapons of mass destruction has no business lecturing anyone about the perils of anonymous sources and flawed information.

It's nice to see something like this in conservative East Tennessee. Atrios linked to an article in the Minneapolis-St. Paul Star Tribune that contained this:

Newsweek used as a source a "senior government official," normally a Cabinet secretary or someone fairly close to that rank, who had previously been a reliable source. It then showed the report to two Pentagon officials before publication. One declined comment and one corrected another aspect of the story. Neither challenged the Qur'an-in-the-toilet statement.

Only after the report had been printed did the original source back away from his assertion that he had seen the confirmation in a military report on abuse at Guantanamo. On reflection, he thought perhaps he saw it in other reports or drafts; but he did see it.

As for this short Newsweek item causing the rioting and deaths in Afghanistan, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan told Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Richard Myers that the violence was "not at all" tied to Newsweek, but was an insurgency seeking to prevent the national reconciliation that President Hamid Karzai is trying to promote. Before the Newsweek item was even published, both the Associated Press and Agence France-Presse reported a new surge of Taliban-led violence.

Posted by Paul Witt at May 20, 2005 11:04 AM

Comments

East Tennessee may be conservative but the Knox News Sentinel is not. There is nothing remarkable about this. And Newsweek is not the culprit here. It is radical islamists who killed those 17 people. Not Newsweek...not Bush. There are to many brain-dead people pussy-footing around these radical islamists.

Posted by: Ron at May 20, 2005 11:28 AM

Typical GOP over reaching by Scotty "in the closet" McClellan on Newsweek. The only mistake Newsweek made was a retraction, what they said was true and quoted by dozens of other publications BEFORE they printed it.
Check out the NYT story today for worse than just Koran desecration stuff.

Posted by: gonzone at May 20, 2005 11:35 AM

Please supply your evidence that this is true or shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Ron at May 20, 2005 04:06 PM

Please elucidate what you wsih to be substantiated or shut the fuck up. Or better, do your own fucking research (hint, it ain't on Rush or Fox or wing nut web sites) and watch your fucking mouth. Note I pointed you to a story that backs up what I said ASSHOLE!

Posted by: gonzone at May 23, 2005 11:09 AM

Prove the story that Newsweek published is true. They were not able to do it but I am sure that you can. Who gave them this information? An unknown source. Who is that? Prove what this one unknown person said is true. I can't wait to hear and I am sure that Newsweek would love to hear about this as well DICKHEAD. They would love to be able to retract their retraction.

Posted by: Ron at May 23, 2005 11:18 AM

Come on, this story isn't even really newsworthy. I am willing to bet that those who are screaming the loudest wouldn't look twice at someone flushing a Bible down the toilet. This is nothing more than the media "creating" news, instead of just reporting it. By sensationalizing the story, Newsweek sold a lot of magazines, and showed that their real objective was to discredit the administration. Liberals are going to have to start coming up with some real issues pretty soon, or the Democratic party is doomed.

Posted by: Rich at May 23, 2005 01:28 PM

The object of any publication is to sell copies and advertising and make money. They are going to report anything controversial that they can dig up because that is what sells. It's not in an effort to discredit the current administration. They report controversial articles no matter who the current president (Democrat or Republican). Some people are such right wing nuts that centrist reporting appears to be liberal to them.

I think the real story in this Newsweek fiasco is that the people of Afghanistan are willing to riot and kill each other because someone allegedly flushed a book. Whether or not the Newsweek story is true or not, the writers shouldn't be held accountable for the actions of religious hysteria and violence. Place the blame on the violence where it belongs - on the people committing it. There is such a thing as peaceful protest.

Posted by: Randy at May 24, 2005 10:52 AM

Here ya' go simpleton Ron, from the horse's mouth to your eyes:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000930917
Next time do your own research.

Posted by: gonzone at May 24, 2005 01:51 PM

Newsweek did not cite Editor and Publisher, Dickhead. You said the only mistake they made was to issue a retraction. That is a lie. You are a liar and a dickhead. Please show me in Newsweeks report where they cited Editor and Publisher.

Posted by: Ron at May 24, 2005 02:35 PM

"You said the only mistake they made was to issue a retraction."

And the White House agrees with me if you bothered to read the article from editor and publisher.

I stand by my statement. Newsweek was correct to begin with and should have never issued a retraction. At least fifteen other publications reported the same thing as Newsweek about the Koran abuse BEFORE Newsweek did. Not only that but the JCS said only three days before the publication in question that the unrest has already started so an after the fact article could not possibly have casued anything. But you should already know that.

At least a dick has a head, more than can be said for some others I know.

Posted by: gonzone at May 25, 2005 09:11 AM

Your fucked up dude. The White House did not agree with you. They just said that the report was not the reason for the mini-jihad in Afghanistan. They are correct. The story was still a product of Isikoff's personal views of hoping that it was true. Liberal's hate the military don't cha know. It was based on one annonymous source that recanted. You may be able to read, but, you are unable to comprehend. They have adult classes at most schools that can help you remediate your issues.

"At least a dick has a head, more than can be said for some others I know.'

And I am glad to see that you agree with me that you are a dickhead.

Posted by: Ron at May 25, 2005 10:57 AM

So, I know you're slow but let's go over this one more time.

1) Scotty, the mouth of the White House says it is the fault of Newsweek that there are riots in Afghanistan, etc.

2) Now the White House, Scotty retracts that charge and says it was not the fault of Newsweek.

3) I said "the only mistake Newsweek made was retracting the story" which means they GOT IT RIGHT about the Koran desecration.

4) The White House NOW agrees with me that Newsweek was not at fault for the riots.

5) Fact: many other publications printed the story about the Koran desecration before Newsweek did.
6) Fact: The head of the military (the JCS) said that other factors were at play that were causing riots BEFORE Newsweek published the story.
7)Isikoff is a hack and I do not care for him but this story was factually correct and publishing the truth is NOT wrong.

Thus, I stand by my statement. Go back and read my first post to refresh yourself on what I said.

Does my head arouse you? Or is it just dickheads in general?

Posted by: gonzone at May 25, 2005 12:51 PM

They made a mistake printing a story that they did not source. Unless liberal "journalist" get to make shit up and call it news. I am sure this is how liberals report. The lazy, easy way is the best way for them. The actual story of the Koran in the toilet may be true. Newsweek's story was not. I don't care if it is true or not.

You don't do shit for me personally but I am sure your boyfriend just loves you. From what I understand some guys just love brain-dead fucks like you.

Also I was the first person to post a reply to this post and I actually placed the blame for the dead Afghans where it belonged.

Posted by: Ron at May 25, 2005 01:13 PM

Does your mommy know you're on the internets again Ronnie?

Posted by: gonzone at May 26, 2005 07:27 AM

Yeah, my mommy knows I am on the internet. She calls me Little Ronnie. Now will you prove the Newsweek story and their source was telling the truth according to their report. I answered your question so it is only fair. And please don't send a link from LA Times or any other publication that was not listed in their story. What I want you to do is prove the Newsweek story as it was printed is true. You've made the claim so back it up. Otherwise it is kool-aid time for you. I can almost see the purple stain of grape kool-aid above your lip. I am also getting this feeling that gonzone is an alias for someone else who post on this blog, and I know it's not Randy 'cause he ain't that dumb.

Posted by: Ron at May 26, 2005 09:23 AM

Give it up Gonzone. Ron's an idiot and thinks we are too. You've made your point. Ron is now trying to trap you into a narrow view of the "wrongness" of Newsweek's article to score some cheap points.

Yes, Newsweek's story was badly sourced but was factually correct and should not have been retracted. Instead it should've been corrected.

Let the idiot think that the "liberal media" has an "anti-military bias". Who cares? All he's doing is repeating what he heard from Rush. These people can't think for themselves enough to view any story that's critical of a bad Bush policy (torture, abuse, etc) as critical of the Bush rather than critical of the entire military.

You're not going to open his eyes. It's just not going to happen.

Posted by: Paul Witt at May 26, 2005 10:00 AM

Talk about twisting words. I said nothing of "liberal media". I said liberals hate the military. They have been on a jihad against our
guys since the Vietnam war. That is fact. You know as well as I that if FoxNews had done a story with one anonymous source that recanted,
it would still be front page fare at the leftwing nut job sites such as the Fully-Bullshit site here. At least you admit the story was wrong as it was printed. gonzone or whoever insist that if someone else has printed the same thing then it is OK to make up a story in support of it. Like I said. This made Isikoff's work real easy. Just read someone else's story and then make up one yourself to support it. Liberal journalist are lazy. They are not sceptical. They start with an end in mind and create a means to get there. If what you say is true then it only takes one person in this country to defeat liberals. Rush. I have never seen such a bunch of crybabies in my whole life. Isikoff admits he was in error but you guys insist that he was not.

"(torture, abuse, etc)"

Isn't that the calling card of the UN. How about giving them down the road a little. Naw, you can't do that. They would kick you off the reservation. You can only talk bad about American wrongs, but don't speak evil of your precious UN.

Here in America we beat and stone women who commit adultry. Oh wait, no that would be the Islamic countries.

Here in America we take kick-backs from Oil sales, from an Iraq that was under sanctions. No wait, I am wrong again. That would be the French, Germans, Russians and UN officials.

Here in America we give you a chance to convert to Christianity and if you don't we behead you. No, for some reason that just doesn't ring a bell.

Here in America our religious leaders are calling for the wholesale slaughter of all Islamist. That doesn't seem right.

Here in America when we have a greivance with another country we fly planes into buildings filled with innocent civilians. Nope, I am wrong again.

Here in America when we catch one of our soldiers (Lindie England) commiting unethical treatment to a prisoner we pin a medal on them. No, actually that would be "metal" in the form of handcuffs.

When we catch a war combatant and hold them as prisoners we use them in videos with guns held to their heads and give the other side 72 hours to meet all our demands or we behead them on camera. Do we do that?

Here in America we hide behind women and children in churches while we are killing the enemy to stop them from killing us. Let's hope the islamist don't catch on to this one. It could be bad for our guys.

Here in America we jail journalist who speak ill of the government. Do we?

Here in America we indict Authors of books who speak ill of Christianity for hate crimes.

Here in America we have a bunch of pansy-ass sissy boys we call liberals.. oops sorry. That one is true.

Now go home and tell your wife to walk three paces behind you always. Tell them to keep their heads covered at all times. Tell them not to leave home without a male relative as an escort. Tell them that they will not be allowed to vote or go to school ever again and if they are raped you are going to have to kill them to restore the honor of your family. My guess is that if either one of you two said that to your wife you would both get your asses kicked or, they would "run you through a plastic shredder"?? Oh the good old days of Uday. You can reminisce about that when you are sitting outside your mud hut today wondering why America is so bad.

Posted by: Ron at May 26, 2005 11:35 AM

You forget that I know you in real life Ron. You're in no position to call anyone a "pansy-ass sissy boy".

As for the rest, it's clear that you think we liberals should just STFU because most of the things you say aren't true. Note the "most" in there because some of what you say is somewhat true of this country. We don't behead people for failing to become Christian, we just expel them from our churches when they're not sufficiently Christian. We as a country don't take kick-backs from Oil-for-food, just our corporations. Yes, some religious and political leaders did call for a new crusade against Islam, called for killing them all and converting them to Christianity, called the war a Holy War. When we have a greivance with another country we just bomb them and invade, no need for planes and suicide missions. We're quick to convict Privates but of course they always seem to act on their own and not under orders, funny that. We don't take hostages or threaten to behead them, we just sell photos of them in their underwear to tabloids (free enterprise at its best). We don't jail journalists that speak out against the government, we just ruin their careers.

So, you're right, by comparison we're light years ahead. But you're excuse me if I still speak out because I don't like some of the things we do. I certainly don't, unlike some, choose to be outraged only when the opposing party is in power. Or just when someone else tells me it's time to be outraged.

Posted by: Paul Witt at May 26, 2005 01:27 PM

By pansy-ass sissy boy I am referring to the cowards who think we should call in the blue helmets to solve our problems. The same folks that want to allow dictators to rule with an iron fist because it is not affecting them directly. You know who I am talking about. And by stating I am in no position to declare this and that you know me personally, are you threatening or trying to intimidate me? I am not intimidated easily.

Posted by: Ron at May 26, 2005 01:36 PM

Neither. I'm saying that you're not exactly a tough guy yourself. Something I doubt you'd dispute.

Posted by: Paul Witt at May 26, 2005 01:46 PM

I'll stand up for what I believe in. Freedom and peace is not achieved through treaties and ass kissing. And BTW, exactly how many times did we fly over and bomb the Taliban before 9/11?

Posted by: Ron at May 26, 2005 01:53 PM

Your party was too busy sucking up to the Taliban and making excuses for their extremism at the time.

"Freedom and peace is not achieved through treaties and ass kissing."

How are they achieved then?

Posted by: Paul Witt at May 26, 2005 07:06 PM

"The same folks that want to allow dictators to rule with an iron fist because it is not affecting them directly. You know who I am talking about."

Yeah, I know.
Uzebekistan
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
China
Russia
Nothing like a friendly dictator to win Dubya's friendship.

Posted by: gonzone at May 27, 2005 09:01 AM

LOL. Nice post gonzone.

Posted by: Paul Witt at May 27, 2005 09:18 AM

Gonzone,

How would a liberal deal with the following countries?

Uzebekistan
Saudi Arabia
Pakistan
China
Russia

Paul, as an aspiring politican, how would you deal with these countries?

Posted by: Margaret at May 27, 2005 02:01 PM

Paul,

You state that Newsweek's story was factually correct,i.e, it was not just an allegation. Prove it.

Sean

Posted by: Margaret at May 27, 2005 02:04 PM

The silence is deafening, gonzone.

Posted by: Ron at May 28, 2005 11:32 AM

Let me clarify that. That is a good thing. Maybe you have learned how to STFU.

Posted by: Ron at May 28, 2005 01:03 PM

I'm not sure how I'd deal with those countries. What I am sure of is that I wouldn't claim to have a foreign policy that values freedom when I had personal ties to an oppressive regime like Saudi Arabia or was sending prisoners off to be tortured in Uzebekistan.

FYI: They BOIL people alive in Uzebekistan.

Lastly, about the Newsweek story being factually correct: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N25227168.htm

The phrase "eat shit" comes to mind.

Posted by: Paul Witt at May 28, 2005 04:41 PM

He knows who you are Sean.

Posted by: Nikki at May 28, 2005 06:06 PM

"he silence is deafening, gonzone.

Posted by: Ron at May 28, 2005 11:32 AM

Let me clarify that. That is a good thing. Maybe you have learned how to STFU.

Posted by: Ron at May 28, 2005 01:03 PM"

I did my part. You deserve to be ignored and nothing else. Now go on outside and play.

Posted by: gonzone at May 31, 2005 03:23 PM