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April 21, 2005
Red light cameras
Michael Silence posts about traffic cameras in Knoxville again. It seems that this stupidity is moving forward.
KPD Deputy Chief Don Green, who presented the initial plans to City Council members at a January workshop, repeated his insistence Wednesday that the system is solely intended to reduce crashes, not raise revenues....
The selected vendor would be paid with a portion of all fines collected, he added, and the contract will run for no more than three years, with annual opportunities to review the terms.
Amazing, this isn't about generating revenue but the private company running the thing gets a percentage of the take. They sure must think we're pretty stupid.
Such systems have produced varying results nationally and raised as many questions about privacy infringements as they have about the private operators' profit-driven involvement.Knoxville's cameras, however, would be aimed only at a vehicle's license plate, Green explained, not a driver's face. And the system would be triggered only if the driver commits a red-light offense.
One KPD officer will be assigned to review all tapes before a $50 ticket is issued to the address of the vehicle's registered owner. The officer - not the vendor - would have "total discretion" to consider any mitigating circumstances in deciding whether a violation occurred, Green said.
So I'm supposed to feel better about this because my face won't be photographed? Tennessee doesn't have front license plates so they'll be taking a picture of my rear license plate and mailing me, the owner of both of my family's cars the tickets. Gee thanks for protecting my privacy. Where's my right to confront my accuser? If this KPD officer wasn't there, didn't talk to me and never even saw a picture of me then I'd have to be a real sheep to accept your citation and pay the fine.
Posted by Paul Witt at April 21, 2005 03:03 PM
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I suppose we could start trafficking in tags stolen off our least favorite politician's vehicles.
That would change the rules in a hurry when we deliberately ran every red light having a camera!
Posted by: gonzone at April 21, 2005 03:07 PM
What pisses me off is that they can afford to stick these cameras up but we can't get a traffic light at the intersection of Shaad Rd. and Oak Ridge Hwy. Have you ever seen the staggering amount they say it cost to install a traffic light? Oh yeah, you can avoid the ticket by not speeding and not running the red light. Novel idea, huh?
Posted by: Ro n at April 21, 2005 08:07 PM
If it were only that easy. All they have to do is knock a couple of seconds on the time that the yellow light holds and their revenues go up.
See http://www.motorists.org/ for information on traffic enforcement and your rights.
Posted by: Paul Witt at April 22, 2005 07:49 AM
I think the cameras could be a great tool if they weren't issuing tickets. If they wanted to use this to track a criminal on the streets or to record the action of a traffic accident for litigious (sp?) purposes they could be of great benefit. Only on major roads. No residential cameras. These cameras should be readily accessible to any citizen as we pay for them. Getting the timing of the yellow lights is simple math. Speed limit - distance to stop vehicle at that speed. It ain't rocket science. Concerned citizens such as yourself could then sue to have the timing changed. If the science is sound I'll chime right in there with you. We'll start a movement. But let's not stop technology because of dishonesty. I think it would be great to have the site available to me so I could survey the roads before I leave home. We could conserve energy by planning alternate routes and not sitting in a traffic jam on I-40 or Chapman Hwy. Wow, I sounded like a conservationist there. On a public road you shouldn't expect privacy. That's lunacy, however; you should not expect a speed trap either. I have no problems with anyone watching me drive down any public roads.
Posted by: Ron at April 22, 2005 04:55 PM
Just to clarify something I said. The cameras may be installed by a private company but they will be installed on public property. That says a lot. When I hear private company here I know I am getting fucked. If the government wants cameras then they should just do it themselves. This is one time when a private company is not needed. If the cameras are only being used for law enforcement then keep it internal. Let the citizens control their own neighborhoods. If abuse occurs then the citizens can elect folks who will listen. I definitely see your points Paul. Fight to change what is happening. You never know where support will come from. So my statement about being paid for by the citizens was wrong. Semantically. Got it right that time gonzone.
Posted by: Ron at April 22, 2005 05:39 PM
Your comment about being able to look up the cameras online and pick an alternate route reminded me of something. I think I read somewhere that those cameras they just installed around town on the highway that are in part of those big electronic signs along the highway are going to be online.
I was probably dreaming though. That would be too much to ask.
Posted by: Paul Witt at April 22, 2005 07:09 PM
Paul,
We have cameras on the interstates and other major arteries here in Nashville. They are available on a website as webcams that refresh every minute. You can check it out here http://www.tennessean.com/traffic/. With any luck maybe Knoxville with put them online also.
Posted by: Randy at April 22, 2005 08:35 PM
Nice. I hope they do that with Knoxville's new system. I assume you noticed the towers and cameras when you came over on Thursday?
Posted by: Paul Witt at April 23, 2005 09:22 AM
Honestly, I didn't notice the towers. But, I didn't go into Knoxville past Lovell Road. So, I only would have passed any towers West of that exit. My wife says I have tunnel vision while driving because I have a tendency to only pay attention to the road in front of me and the cars around me. There could have been a billboard of Halle Berry nude on the side of the interstate coming into Knoxville and I probably wouldn't have noticed it. I'm weird, I know.
Posted by: Randy at April 23, 2005 10:17 AM